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SirQUK Webmaster

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Hi HanSolo and welcome to our forums I'm glad you are enjoying some of the latest additions to v3. Don't worry about having to use a cracked version, if ever Dimadsoft decide to call it a day DRM will have its ID protection removed - But that wont be for a very long time hopefully. |
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Hagrinas Newbie

Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: New user |
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| I just downloaded the demo of V3, and was glad to see that I'd finally be able to try it out to see if it works. 15 seconds is just fine for that. The problem is that it merely complained that export if multi-angle is not supported in the demo version. I don't get it. How would it hurt prospective sales to let me try it? When reading through this thread, I saw lots of discussion on this topic. Some of the points are valid, and some are merely conjecture with no supporting evidence. And some don't address things completely. One thread likened the demo version to a flight simulator. That's a bad analogy. The demo version is more like a parked airplane where the user gets to look at and move the controls. He has no way of knowing whether he would actually get anywhere if the airplane could take off. If I can't save the DVD, then I don't know if the changes I made to any pre or post commands were the correct ones. If there were a trace facility, and I could do a virtual eject, and walk through my changes, then at least I'd have an idea. For trace, I currently use PGCEdit. It's a nice little tool, and it has a nice trace facility that includes breakpoints. It's free, but I was happy to make a donation for it. I'd hate to buy another product that does not handle this aspect as well unless I knew that the trace facility would eventually end up in it. It would be nice if it ended up in the version I paid for. Another user mentioned the cracked versions out there. It's no secret that there are a few. If anybody wonders if they hurt sales, they might. But that's because they allow a user to see the same interface that he would have seen in the demo version, but also verify that the product had bugs. But if the cracked versions worked, they would not necessarily siphon off more sales. There are always companies that will look at the estimated number of pirated copies of something, multiply it by the full retail cost, and then claim that that's how much money they are losing. There's no real world evidence to support it, though. In fact, there's evidence to support the opposite. In the real world, sales figures are often inversely proportional to the amount of problems caused by copy protection. Two years ago, Intuit added strong copy protection to Turbo Tax. It was a fiasco. Sales went down, and they lost customers. If you make it a pain to use software, fewer people will use it. Did they stop some people from copying the software? Of course. There are always going to be some people who think that something is too expensive and won't buy it. They might use it if it's out there for free, but keeping a free copy away from them does not mean that they will buy it. In many cases, there were people who would get a copy from a relative or friend, and there would end up being three copies even though only one was paid for. With the copy protection in place, that same group of people would have to buy a single copy of TaxCut (and no copies of Turbo Tax) to do the same thing. So it's a loss of revenue, not a gain. The license agreement used to say that all three of them could use it, but they couldn't use it on different computers at the same time. Fair enough. But the fact that one of the users failed to do a complete uninstall before lending the disk to a friend had nothing to do with revenue. I don't know where the license agreement is on the website, and some of what I read here is vague. If I want to use it on my computer, and my wife wants to use it on her computer, is that a problem? We don't tend to do this type of thing concurrently, but if I'm using my computer for something, my wife might want to use one of my kids' computers since mine is tied up. What exactly does the license agreement allow for? If I visit a friend, I can remake one of his disks on my laptop, but from what I gather, it would be impractical or impossible to use it on his machine temporarily. Basically, it boils down to convenience, and it seems as if there are potential inconveniences that could impact sales. As far as these things impacting small developers more than big ones, perhaps somebody can provide a link to such a study, because I've never seen one. If anything, it seems as if the more copies there are out there, the more likely somebody is to have seen it and want to buy it. There's no question that just about any software I've ever bought could have been copied illegally, but had the software not been in widespread use, I never would have known about it in the first place. Many things that I've paid for were things that were originally bundled for free in a less than full form with something else. The fact that I was able to use it was enough to make me want to upgrade. Business people know that sometimes you make more money if you raise your prices, and sometimes you make more if you lower them. In this case, the product is expensive enough that I wouldn't jump out and buy it without a lot of thought. And if I had to decide ahead of time which computer is least likely to be used by something else when I need to reauthor a disk, then I'd be even less likely to buy it. As for price, it's nice to be able to pick and choose what's on a disk, but a lot of people I know would just as soon use DVDshrink to strip off all but the main movie and shrink it down. It's certainly nice to have the flexibility, but it's up to the individual to decide what it's worth. Keep in mind that phonograph records did not kill off live concerts, but boosted their attendance. FM Radio did not kill off phonograph records, but boosted their sales. DVD sales took off once copy protection was cracked. With all the talk about music piracy, people forget that selling a million albums back when there were 200,000,000 people in the country was considered good. The percentage of fans who bought the albums was minuscule. But had there been no way of hearing the music in the first place without buying the album, sales would have been much lower. I mentioned Intuit before, and the irony here is that they were the first company to truly defeat software piracy in an effective way. Back in the DOS days, when PC software under $300 was almost unheard of, they decided to sell Quicken for $19.99. Suddenly, people who used to use illegal copies and buy an aftermarket book (the assumption was that you needed a manual since DOS programs didn't have comprehensive on-line help) found it more practical to buy the software and get support. People will buy something if they think it does what they want and that the price is warranted. When you sell something for a lot of money in an arena where there is a lot of free software, people will be reluctant to buy it unless they can be sure that it does what they want. If I could try it for 14 days, or even make a DVD with the first 15 seconds of each scene, I can't guarantee I'd buy it, but at least there would be a good chance. |
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DimadSoft DvdReMake Official support

Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 2193
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: New user |
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Welcome to the forum, Hagrinas. And thanks for feedback (sorry for delay answering). | Hagrinas wrote: | | I just downloaded the demo of V3, and was glad to see that I'd finally be able to try it out to see if it works. 15 seconds is just fine for that. The problem is that it merely complained that export if multi-angle is not supported in the demo version. I don't get it. How would it hurt prospective sales to let me try it? | May be you've heard/read already about interleaving - that is the reason. Problem is with cutting multiangle parts of DVDs. | Quote: | | When reading through this thread, I saw lots of discussion on this topic. Some of the points are valid, and some are merely conjecture with no supporting evidence. And some don't address things completely. One thread likened the demo version to a flight simulator. That's a bad analogy. The demo version is more like a parked airplane where the user gets to look at and move the controls. He has no way of knowing whether he would actually get anywhere if the airplane could take off. If I can't save the DVD, then I don't know if the changes I made to any pre or post commands were the correct ones. If there were a trace facility, and I could do a virtual eject, and walk through my changes, then at least I'd have an idea. For trace, I currently use PGCEdit. It's a nice little tool, and it has a nice trace facility that includes breakpoints. It's free, but I was happy to make a donation for it. I'd hate to buy another product that does not handle this aspect as well unless I knew that the trace facility would eventually end up in it. It would be nice if it ended up in the version I paid for. | We plan to implement fully featured DVD Debugger in one of the future releases of DvdReMake Pro. | Quote: | | I don't know where the license agreement is on the website, and some of what I read here is vague. If I want to use it on my computer, and my wife wants to use it on her computer, is that a problem? We don't tend to do this type of thing concurrently, but if I'm using my computer for something, my wife might want to use one of my kids' computers since mine is tied up. What exactly does the license agreement allow for? | http://dimadsoft.com/license.php?prog=dvdremake%20pro | Quote: | | The Software may be installed on multiple machines, provided that only a single person per license uses this Software at any given time. Computers with Software installed should never be made available to another party for the purpose of operating this software, even if such operation is for the benefit of the Licensee. Any assistants, employees or contractors who operate the program for Licensee shall be considered additional users who must be properly licensed to lawfully use the software. |
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Hagrinas Newbie

Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: New user |
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| DimadSoft wrote: | | May be you've heard/read already about interleaving - that is the reason. Problem is with cutting multiangle parts of DVDs. | I don't understand what that has to do with trial versions, though. If you could explain it, I'd appreciate it. I had a disk that was being a PITA with other programs, and was hoping that yours would work cleanly. Even 15 seconds per scene would have told me the answer. | Quote: | | We plan to implement fully featured DVD Debugger in one of the future releases of DvdReMake Pro. | That's great to hear. | Quote: | | http://dimadsoft.com/license.php?prog=dvdremake%20pro The Software may be installed on multiple machines, provided that only a single person per license uses this Software at any given time. Computers with Software installed should never be made available to another party for the purpose of operating this software, even if such operation is for the benefit of the Licensee. Any assistants, employees or contractors who operate the program for Licensee shall be considered additional users who must be properly licensed to lawfully use the software. | So if I understand this correctly, my wife can license a copy, install it on her office computer, and on all the computers at home and on her laptop, so she can use any available computer we have if she needs to run the program. If she goes to visit her brother, she could run the program on his computer, (but he can't of course) even if it's for her brother's benefit. If she did that, she'd have to make a reasonable effort to keep him from copying it. But if I sit down behind my own computer, I would not be allowed to run the software, and if my wife left it running and it finished, I would arguably not even be able to close it. However, since the licensee can be an entity, I can license it to "the Smith family" if that's my family, and then I'd be allowed to use it too, but not at the same time as my wife. So if we ever wanted to use it on two computers at the same time, such as wanting to edit one video while another is finishing on another machine, that would be allowed, as long as the same one of us ran both of them. And other members of my household would be able to run it, as long as only one of us ran it at a time. On the other hand, if it were licensed to my wife, she would have to take reasonable measures to prevent me from copying it, and to prevent me from using it. But only the former would be cause for termination of her agreement. So if I used it without her permission, (it would not be reasonable for her to keep me away from my own computer, so the computer would not have been made available to me for the purpose of running the software) then she probably wouldn't be in violation of the agreement, but if somebody from outside the household wanted to use it, then it would be reasonable for her to prevent it under most circumstances. So the bottom line is that you would not want others to use it on one of our computers (not that you could tell) but if we let somebody else download it, that's when you'd put the hammer down. And if I go to grandpa's house regularly to back up his DVDs, that would be allowable as long as I took reasonable steps to keep him from copying it, and he should not use it either. Since it would require a new download for each additional machine anyway, then unless grandpa is a hacker, there should be no way for him to copy it anyway, and if it were installed on his machine, but for my logon only, then things should be fine. Some of the things I mentioned here are hypothetical, but not out of the question, and I probably wouldn't even intend to put things on all five computers at home. On the other hand, my computer did crash last week and I wouldn't want to be in a position where somebody says that I've downloaded it half a dozen times already, and I'm pushing it. With last week's crash, I had just upgraded my motherboard and processor (which might have required a new download?) and then an electrical problem fried my disk drive. I reinstalled what I needed, but some sort of timing issue in the motherboard managed to get my backup hard disk scrambled. That second hard disk problem would not have been an issue for this software, but I did end up changing the motherboard again once I was sure that that was the problem. It had actually screwed up my primary hard disk too right after I did a clean install of XP, but since I had just installed it and little else, and since I had been poking around in the registry a bit, and had used Partition Magic on it, I just assumed that I had done something wrong when it decided that the HD was not formatted. When it said the same about my other HD the next day, it was a bit late. Now things work fine, and I even managed to get my hard disk fixed (so I've been told.) Fortunately, my brother in law worked for the vendor of my disk drive, and he was able to get me to the right person. So the original HD is now working and bootable, but presumably would not allow your software to work, had it been installed, since it would end up on a computer with a different motherboard. At this point, I can either keep the new HD, and work to migrate everything over, or I could reinstall the old drive, and copy over just the new stuff from the past week or so. So in this not-at-all hypothetical scenario, had the software been installed the day before the first hardware problem, I might be on the sixth download for the same computer, had I reinstalled the software before each problem hit. I would hope that this is a once in a lifetime type of thing, but it's not as if I pulled something out of thin air. More realistically, I probably change motherboards and processors less than once a year. I did swap processors on the same motherboard a few times while debugging, changed power supplies, memory, and moved other boards in and out. And had I wanted to test your software after any of those steps, it would have been a potential issue. So even though I hope something like this never happens again, these things do happen. The software that I did run when doing each of the tests was mostly diagnostic types of things, but had the problems all occurred when running a specific program, then running that program after each of the changes would have been reasonable. I know it's not likely for something like this to happen again, and in the worst case, I could even fax copies of the receipts and record of exchange for the motherboard, but when something like this just happens to you, then you tend to think "what if?" |
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netsouth Newbie

Joined: 07 Aug 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject: Beware if you have any problems |
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| If you have any problems with DiMadSoft software, you'll receive insulting e-mails and an order to take it up with PayPal. In fact, you can't even see any contact information on DiMadSoft's website and their web registration is a "ghost" with no legitimate address. We purchased the software and were very, very dissatisfied. We hope you'll consider buying software from a company that actually has an address and telephone number. In our opinion, DiMadSoft is a hack house. That's our personal opinion. We intend to spread the word about our personal experience with DiMadSoft. |
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Mirx Respected Member

Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 696
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| Well, I can't say anything about your personal experiances with Dimad, but everyone who's been around this forum for a while knows how he is around his customers, and he's quite the opposite of what you paint him to be. Not knowing the background, the only valid explaination I could think of I he would be less then subtile, is that your version was "comprimised" and floating around the web as an hacked version. The course of action that follows are clearly stated in the user agreement. |
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rubicat Moderator

Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 816
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree with Mirx. I can tell you that my dealings with Dimad have been nothing but cordial. From what I've seen, his dealings with others is the same. There are many software companies that are not brick-and-mortar businesses and don't use an address or telephone number. | netsouth wrote: | | In our opinion, DiMadSoft is a hack house. That's our personal opinion. We intend to spread the word about our personal experience with DiMadSoft. | Your words will be drowned out by the many, many very satisfied customers. |
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DimadSoft DvdReMake Official support

Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 2193
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Beware if you have any problems |
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Here is the brief history: Friday evening netsouth has purchased a license for DvdReMake via PayPal. Email was sent in few hours after purchase that program is "locking up repeatedly" and that he wants to submit refund request at PayPal. Today (Sunday) we've read email and asked: | DimadSoft wrote: | | that is the first report about such program behaviour so we would like to investigate the problem. Could you please provide us with more detailed description of the problem? When it happens, with what disks? What kind of computer is used. Does it work with demo version? Thank you in advance for your response. | and got a responce: | netsouth wrote: | | Computer is a Dell 3.2 Ghz Intel Pentium 4, 512Mb RAM. It simply locks up, and did the same on my son's computer (a 700Mhz HP). I don't have time to mess with this. It's not a good product. | Well, it was not exactly right statement as we can see in the log that program was downloaded only for one Computer ID so there was no way it could have been tested on another computer. Anyway, beeing affraid that it might be some sort of a fraud to get a working copy of the program without paying for it we've submitted following response to the claim netsouth submitted at PayPal so that they can verify everything and let us know whether it is OK to make a refund (as we understand that is what was wanted from the beginninng): | DimadSoft wrote: | | We sell software programs. We've sold many licenses to use our software and had no such complains before. Each program we sell has a demo version which will let user test program functionality before he/she decides whether program works on his system. Users agree that no refund can be provided on purchased software before they make a purchase at PayPal. Here is the quote from the End User License Agreement ( http://www.dimadsoft.com/license.php?prog=dvdremake%20pro ) "== Refunds == Due to the nature of software products no refund can be offered once Software has been downloaded. Before purchasing a license to use the Software, it is recommended that you download and evaluate the free/demo version. Testing the free/demo version ensures that the program works to your satisfaction on all machines on which you intend to use the Software." We can provide you with the copy of the log indicating that user has downloaded the program. | After that we've received few more angry emails from netsouth and found the post above. Still waiting for PayPal's response. | netsouth wrote: | | ... you'll receive insulting e-mails and an order to take it up with PayPal. | Feel free to quote the "insulting" emails and let others judge. |
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bandito Newbie

Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:17 am Post subject: |
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hi DVD Remake Pro, I want to buy it. But at home I don't have any internet (only my workplace). So... the register procession is impossible Do you have any idea? (register by phone, or ohter way?) |
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DimadSoft DvdReMake Official support

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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Welcome to the forum, bandito. It is not a problem at all that the computer where you intend to run DvdReMake Pro has no internet connection. You just run Demo version of the program on it to find out its Computer ID (look into "About" box"). Then use this ID when downloading copy of the DvdReMake for your computer (using any computer connected to the net) from your DimadSoft account. |
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