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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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It was just a thought.
I use DVD Lab if I have to recreate a menu and there I can split menu cell. That is what I do for delayed buttons in motion menu.
I noticed that when I import that in Remake it come as two blocks.
I do not have that software on this machine to try, but when I get home I will check it out.
Or if toaddub comes on, he may tell if this is possible or not.
Anyway, thank you both, as I have laearned new things in this session.
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julius Senior Member

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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| You're right. Until then I will keep the backup as Touddub first told me to, deleting the first menu in pgc24 making it jump to the working one in pgc25. Thanx senior for your interest in the issue.
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toaddub Moderator

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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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You can't split or 'cut to here' on the cell but can 'cut from here' due to technical reasons.
Highlights start is supposed to work in both modes, so it appears to be a bug. I was thinking of using DLP to recreate the delayed buttons but has problem of importing the original subpics since DLP does not support .sup file.
Well, I use MuxMan Pro to delay the display time of the subpic highlight and it appears to be working. Download the VTS_01_1.VOB created by MuxMan Pro. Replace this in pgc24 and import the buttons and color schemes back. Export and test. I tested in my dvd players and it highlights in 4 sec.
http://savefile.com/files/1780144
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julius Senior Member

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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi again. I seems to be working, even though I was stupid enough only to burn "test output" from Dvdremake, which only gives me short playback before looping the menu. But I can conclude that it does not highlight in the very beginning now. This together with the fact that you tested it also. And I even did the directional adjustments in the chapter selections to make it run smoother.
Unfortately there is one more small bug that I have over-seen. In menu pgc29 - button 6 (no subtitles) does not highlight when moving curser over it. Not even in software players... It does in menu pgc 28. I tried to delete the button and create a new one with Pgcedit, but no success. Could you by any chance make a vob for menu pgc29 also, and the dvd should be spot on!! Here's the latest output, where I hid the un-needed menus.
****Removed*****
Thanx again
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: |
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Julius, glad it worked for you.
toaddub, it can be done using DLP, but it is little longer than Muxman Pro.
Make menu in DLP with two cells - compile.
Using your method with PGCDemux and free Muxman.
Demux second cell. Insert .sup file in Muxman.
Import all to Remake, delete blocks you do not need. Import buttons and CLUT, done.
Thinking of getting Muxman Pro myself, it has some useful features. Just too many pregrams already.
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julius Senior Member

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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Hopefully the last issue can be solved also. @Toaddub, do you think it can be solved using the same method as with the previous bug. You know, using the 2 tools??
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toaddub Moderator

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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Senior, do you mean by splitting the cell, you'd drag the cursor in the Motion timeline to create an intro cell in the first part of the motion menu?
julius, you can sorta use the same method as the chapter menu bug, but the thing is there is actually no button highlight for the No Subtitle button. Whenever you don't see the button highlight, you need to find out if it actually exists first. So deleting the button (button rectangle/marking) and creating new one will not help either. Of course the button rectangle must envelope the subpic highlight (underline bar) for you to see when it is highlighted.
I used the .sup files from pgc28 but somehow I cannot fix the display time in MuxMan Pro like I did for the chapter menu. The alternative method is to extract the subpic highlight as a bitmap using Subrip. DvdSubEdit does not extract it correctly - it's all white background.
Read HERE on how to create 16:9 menu. Attached you will find 2 SST files with corresponding widescreen and letterbox subpic bitmap. I have done this part of the work for you. So the only thing you need to do is follow the same method I laid out previously, with the exception of step 4. Instead of importing .sup files into MuxMan, use SST file instead which will load the corresponding BMP for you. Basically, combine the video and audio from pgc29 and the 2 SST files into a single VOB for replacement in DRMP. Hopefully, this will fix this issue.
btw, how come you're so lucky every once in a while keep getting these badly authored DVDs?
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julius Senior Member

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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hi again, thanx a bunch for the help. Before your reply I actually tried something myself. I did the following:
1. I took menu pgc28 and shortened it about 3 seconds with Dvdremake by the "cut to here" at the very point where the button hightlights began (that was possible at that exact point where hightlight began).
2. I saved the complete "new" archive archive hiding everything but the menu's. Then I thought, there was no need to delay the display time 3 seconds, as menu pgc started right at button highlightning.
3. After doing so I extracted the audio/video from menu pgc29 and extracted the subtitles from the "shortend" pgc28 with Pgcdemux. All this from "new archive"
4. Then I compiled the new VOB thing with Muxman.
5. Now I ended up with a vob for menu pgc29 with button hightlights at the very beginning, and a working "no subtitles" button.
6. Then I took this VOB and replaced it with the "bad one in menu pgc29 " in old complete and raw archive", imported buttons and color schemes.
7. Exported - Done!
Actually it seems to be working, how about that method??
/Julius
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toaddub Moderator

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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, that would work. Normally, 'cut to here' is disabled, but since there are 2 sets of buttons and the highlight starts at the beginning of the second set, you're able to cut the beginning portion.
It appears your method is easier than mine. I wasn't thinking about that approach at the moment. How 'bout that. Good job! You're improving.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| toaddub wrote: | | Senior, do you mean by splitting the cell, you'd drag the cursor in the Motion timeline to create an intro cell in the first part of the motion menu? |
Yes, you insert second cursor(inverted triangle) and drag that one back to where you want buttons to start. That what I do in DLP, but found better method by splitting existing menu cell using Vobblanker, much faster.
Also you can split it there in few places at the same time.
I think Julius found also a good way to do it.
Any way, thanks for your help.
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